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don't talk about moneyAfter taking part in the Road to Financial Wellness with Jason and the Phroogal team last week, something occurred to me. I haven’t talked much about being open about personal finance.

What does being open about money mean? Well, I’m not encouraging you to complain to friends all of the time that you’re broke. I’m also not telling you to go around telling everyone in your office how much you make per hour (apparently management looks down on that….hmmmm….).

But the question gets a little hazy from there. What is okay to talk about with friends and family, and what isn’t….and more importantly – why?? 

Why are we so secretive about our well-being or struggles with money? What’s keeping us from conversing with others about that area of our lives?

I think there are a few reasons that might explain this phenomenon.

3 Reasons We Don’t Talk About Money

1. Judgment.

Do we not want the other person to feel bad? Do we not want other people to look down on us if we don’t have a lot of money?

Maybe we don’t want to be judged or make someone else feel judged, so we just keep quiet about it.

Or maybe this is similar to what someone once told me about telling people you have cancer. As soon as they find out you’re sick, your whole relationship with that person changes. People start feeling bad for you, and act differently around you. They stop talking when you enter the room, and try to avoid “normal” topics that you can’t partake in.

Sounds like there are some parallels to being broke.

I’m not saying that being broke is anything remotely close to having cancer, I’m simply comparing the stigmas around the two topics.

Generally, people are afraid of saying the wrong thing around someone who has just been diagnosed with cancer. What do you say?! We get awkward and weird, and try to avoid a lot of topics that would naturally come up in conversation.

A similar thing happens when you know a friend is broke or going through really hard times – there are plenty of topics to avoid there as well. Especially those that involve the fun vacations you all have planned, or the night out you enjoyed over the weekend.

Sometimes, we try so hard not to offend people that we often do it anyway.

 

2. Self-deception.

Maybe some of us don’t want to talk about money because we will have to make sure all of the lies we’ve told ourselves stay consistent.

Your new coworker Jimmy saw you leaving the parking lot in your brand new SUV. “Wow!” he thinks, “she makes as much as I do and can afford that nice car? I have to find out her secret!”

The next day he comes in and asks how you structure your budget to be able to buy that car. Will you be able to show him the secret? Or is the secret that you really can’t afford the car, are struggling to make payments, and are too ashamed to admit to yourself that you’ve made a mistake?

Have you convinced yourself of so many things that you aren’t sure what is real or what is a lie anymore?

I recently did this a few years back when I bought my car. 

I found a model I liked, drove around and looked at a grand total of 3 of them. I settled on the third.

Was it perfect? Not even close.

Did I know it was going to be reliable and all of the parts were there? Nope. 

I just told myself that I couldn’t afford the car I had at the time (Jeep Grand Cherokee) because the gas mileage was too awful for a one way 36 mile commute each day. So I went for the car with better gas mileage, even though I could see a few red flags. I purposely ignored them so I could just have the car I wanted. 

Even to this day I cringe when people tell me I got ripped off. Shouldn’t I be mad that I got ripped off? Instead I sit there angry that the person could question my judgment and imply that I made a mistake. 

This my friends, is self-deception, and denial at their finest.

 

3. Tradition.

Mom always said, the three things you never talk about are politics, religion and money. The big 3.

Except, nowadays people talk openly about politics and their disapproval of the president, or how much the new healthcare plan will save the world. They talk about what church they go to, what they believe in and why.

But money? Most people run from the subject.

 

Money = Bad Topic.

Money is so rarely talked about these days. And if it is brought up, there is generally a half-hearted joke attached. “Yea, I can’t really afford my cell phone bill this month, but this watch was half price! I had to get it! 😉 ” 

Sometimes we’ll casually chat about how expensive college is these days, but we barely come out and say, “yea, I’m one of those people with $80k of student loan debt.” Why is that?

We know that about 70% of students graduate college with an average of $30k in student debt. We know that the average US household has approximately $7,000 in credit card debt – and that’s including those families who have no debt!  

These stats are out there in the public, but most of the time we choose to pretend they don’t exist. 


What’s the big deal?

Would anything change if we did talk about money? Well, you could be friends with the most savvy businessman in town who knows just what your situation needs – but he will never get the opportunity to help because he doesn’t know what you’re going through.

Maybe you had lunch with the woman who had the secret to saving $500 on the car repairs you are having done. 

In our effort to be polite, we end up losing so much knowledge that could have been passed along.

I’m not saying that we need to spill the beans with every single person we meet. But maybe by us being honest and open, we can help each other live a better life.

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  What do you think?
– Why do most people keep quiet about money?

 

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  • Ali
    Reply

    I agree that we miss out on a lot by not talking about money. Whenever the topic comes up among my friends (which is pretty infrequent), I’m always surprised to hear a new technique that someone is using to save money or earn more income. Imagine if we talked openly – there would be so much more knowledge out there!

    • Chenell Tull
      Reply

      Exactly! 🙂 And I think for me it was hard to re-recognize this issue because since I started publicly blogging about my debt/net worth, this hasn’t been the case. I talk about it often with others, whether it be friends, readers, or other bloggers. Maybe because people know my situation they aren’t scared I’ll judge them? I don’t know but it took me a while to remember that this isn’t the norm.

      You’re right- there would be sooo much more knowledge out there if we all just talked about it!

  • Vic L.
    Reply

    I love talking about money but I find that most people shy away from the topic. I think it’s because most people basically “wing it” when it comes to their money because they don’t know how to budget. A lot of people think budgeting is restricting, but to me it’s liberating!

    I wish more people talked about finances so we could all learn from each other. Thanks for your great post!

    • Chenell Tull
      Reply

      Thanks for stopping by, Vic! A lack of willingness to try something different is definitely a key piece here. Especially when what you are currently doing seems to work out “okay”.

  • Reply

    I totally agree with all the points you mentioned in the post. I think denial is also a big part. A lot of people fail to even admit to themselves about what they can or cannot afford. I recently talked to a friend who mentioned that have to spend 60% of their paycheck on rent and utilities – and they were planning on buying a brand new sports car on top of that. I tried talking them out of it, but I guess they just refuse to accept it to themselves. Plus they were uncomfortable with me giving them money advice. Sigh.

    • Chenell Tull
      Reply

      60% on housing? Ouch. I guess it’s tough to realize what you’re going through, even if someone who knows better keeps trying to steer your in the right direction. You tried! Denial is one of the hardest things to get past, in personal finance and life in general.

  • Steven Goodwin
    Reply

    Great ideas and very relevant. I find when I openly talk about money, I always have people challenging my beliefs about money (no car payment, don’t use debt, paying off my mortgage early, etc) and I try to just empathize with them but know that they aren’t ready for it yet. It has allowed me to open up with more people though and I am finding that everyone out there has a story and something to share, good or bad. Once you build that trust with people, they will open up and communicate to bounce ideas back and forth more.

    But, I do find myself the one starting these conversations more often than not.

    • Chenell Tull
      Reply

      Agreed, and while trust is key to them opening up, it can take quite a while to build that trust. Hopefully the community persistence to make this a more openly discussed topic will change the perception in the future.

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